Mytee LTD5 VS Jaguar 6.6 VS Goliath

[Donald]

Question: I'm a weekend warrior without a business license. Several years ago I worked for Stanley Steemer for about 3 years. I then owned my own truck mount for a couple of years. I've since gotten into truck driving but still love to clean carpets. I purchased the Mytee lite 3 (2014) just to clean my own home and maybe my family's carpets. I would really like to clean carpets again at a more professional level on the side. A machine that could do the job and leave nothing to desire. I've watched all of Steam Brites videos on youtube and read every carpet cleaning forum out there. It seems that the Mytee Ltd5 is a general favorite. I've read about the Jaguar 6.6 and I liked your video on the Goliath. However, I would like some advice from you guys as to what would be the best machine at 500 psi and above for $2500 max? I've read that the Ltd5 has the general pump that has a gpm of 2.2. The Jaguar 6.6 has a higher psi. However, I understand that the "wetter" the better. Is this true wh
en it comes to portables? I also like the auto fill feature. Do these 3 machines come ready to hook up to a garden hose? Also, will my hoses that came with the Mytee Lite fit these machines? I only have a one jet wand and standard detail tool? Can I get by with the one jet wand for a while? Since I don't have a business license, do you guys finance non-business owners? I have great credit. If not, I can take out a loan for $2500 max. Please give me whatever advice you can. Sorry that this message is all over the place...lol. Thanks, Randal

Answer: Thanks for your interest in our products. You have mentioned some of the top performing vacuum systems on the market today. Both the Mytee LTD5 25 amp and Jaguar 6.6 are 26 amp vacuum systems and perform about the same. The Goliath 30 amp vacuum system is at least 10% stronger. Please note that all three machines mentioned above have all used the same Pumptec 207v pump head and are all rated at 500 psi use with a 800 psi max. None of the electric motors are designed to maintain 800 psi and are not recommended. The Mytee LTD5 has installed 3 different pumps under the hood. The Pumptec 207v, the General T9051EBF, and the Cat 1XP050.051 (1.5 gpm). They are all great pumps but the last I heard the Cat was the latest currently being installed and should only be run at not more that 500 psi. I wish that the 6.6 machine would not promote the 800 psi for it really shortens the life of the electric motor. The Mytee LTD5 and Jaguar 6.6 are suction feed portables by factory default but can be converted to pressure feed use. The Goliath is pressure feed by factory default but can be used as a suction feed if needed. All three machine will hook direct to a garden hose but do not use a traditional garden hose for regular garden hose is not rated for hot water. You need a hot water rated hose instead. You should be able to use your current cleaning tools with any of these three machines but if you used the standard open spray Mytee Lite hand tool the machine will cause substantial over spray. High pressure upholstery cleaning is best performed by internal spray hand tools or other tools that are designed for bi-directional cleaning. Please also note that we are discussing 3 machines that have different packages.
Mytee LTD5

http://www.steam-brite.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=ltd5

is sold machine only or in packages.
Jaguar 6.6 is only on our site in a package

http://www.steam-brite.com/cross-american-jaguar-auto-fill-auto-dump-carpet-cleaning-starter-package-p-10765.html

and the Goliath 500 psi unit is sold with and with out heat and is also packaged with more hoses, wand, and lint filtration system

http://www.steam-brite.com/clean-storm-goliath-15gal-500psi-four-stage-vacs-auto-fill-flood-pumper-complete-carpet-cleaning-machine-hoses-wand-120v-p-8881.html

Neither the Mytee LTD5 or or the Jaguar 6.6 come with the hose mount lint filtration system and please note you will ultimately purchase one. It is NOT ok to use an auto dump system without aggressive lint removal in place. You are going to need to confirm exactly what machine you want and if you need a special quote for one of these machines as a 'machine only' so we can see if we can get the price down to your budget.

[Donald]

Add LTD to the mix

Question: Donald, Thanks for responding to my last inquiry. I told you the wrong extractor. I said LTD5 but meant the LTD3. I definitely want a heated extractor with a minimum of 500 psi. I see that you have the Ltd3 machine only for 2199. I took out the loan yesterday ($2600) and I'm ready to buy a great machine. I want to see if you can work some numbers and try to get me the cheapest deal possible on this machine with a decent wand and vac hose. I already have the solution line and vac hose from my mytee lite portable but I know they're the 1 1/2 and think it may be better to get the 2". The wand I have is a single jet 10" wand. I'd like to have a nice 2 jet 12" wand. My out-the-door cost including shipping must be within' the $2600. I can't go beyond that. I do have one more question about your machine. The Clean Storm heated 500 psi machine. Everybody talks vacuums. I'm more interested in the pump. I know that the LTD3 uses the general pump that has 2.2 gpm. I believe that the Clean Storm has the pumptec and I believe it's just over 1 gpm. I remember when I used to pressure wash that GPM was as important if not more than psi. Can you please advise me that when running these two machines side by side would there be a noticeable difference in a one stroke cleaning pass? I know that this is your machine and I love the design.. I just would like to know which is the better machine? Please respond asap so that I can make a decision and purchase before the weekend. thanks again Donald for great video reviews on Youtube. I've watched them all I believe..lol

Answer: Please note the LTD3 machine has smaller 20 amp vacuum system in it with 1600 watt heating system. These heating system will average about a 20 degree rise F up and above what ever you feed the machine with. I need your zip code to work up the shipping cost. Please note if you pay with a credit card we will have to ship to the bill to address for that credit card. If you pay by wire transfer we can ship to 'hold @ dock' or any other location that might have a forklift on site. Please note having a forklift on site is about $80 less than home delivery so if you are looking for ways to save money, wire transfer payment so we can ship to a commercial address is the first place to start. Our most popular 12" wide two jet wand is located at

http://www.steam-brite.com/westpak-12in-1200psi-double-bend-double-101455-wand-p-4601.html

I think the pumps we have at cat pumps but honestly we do not open the boxes do not know what is under the hood. Mytee changes part vendors all the time. I would have to supply Mytee with the serial numbers on the box to have them look up the pump that was used on the day the machine was built. I do know if you are willing to wait for a machine to be built you can request the pump of your choice to be installed. The Clean Storm pump is located at http://www.steam-brite.com/pumptec-8...lt-p-8649.html
I want to try to answer your question about comparing how each of these pumps will work side by side. All these machines you mentioned here are suction feed pumps. They all have to suck water from the fresh tank and then push the water down the hose. The jet sizes used on dual jet wands are available in 4 sizes. 11001, 110015, 11002, 11003. The first set of numbers refer to the width of the spray pattern, in this case 110 degrees. The last number is the size of the hole. These hole number are similar to the pressure washing world in that the larger the number the larger the hole. two 02 jets = the flow of a single 04 opening and mean that at 4000 psi up to 4 gallon per minute will flow through that opening. Naturally we can carpets at under 500 psi so the flow rate is not 4 gpm but way less than that. When you have a pump that is a 1 gallon per minute and you have two 01 jets on your wand all the different pumps will hold close to 500 psi. But now if I change out my want to a pair of 02 jets or larger, then as you set each of these pumps to 500 psi, you will notice all the gauges will read 500 psi in standby mode but as you squeeze the trigger on the cleaning tool the 'use pressure' will drop off depending on the pump gpm flow rate and the size of the jet you have. The smaller pump gpm will swing down to a lower 'use pressure' than the higher gpm pump but will standard jets they will clean the same. In other words you will only notice a difference in higher flow applications. You can also up grade your machine from suction feed to pressure feed systems and this will add the building pressure to your 'use pressure.'

http://www.steam-brite.com/clean-storm-pressure-feed-auto-fill-conversion-dealer-installed-20130409-p-13125.html

Converting from suction feed to pressure feed also enables you to use larger jet size tools before you experience the larger downward swing in use pressure. I can tell you want me to tell you want pump to purchase and I really cannot do that. They are all great pumps and I would be glad to have under the hood of any machine I own.

[Randalj79]

Decision Made!!! Clean Storm it is!!!!!

Donald, After carefully researching various websites and carpet extractors, I've decided to go with the Clean Storm heated 500 psi model. Much of that is due to you responding to my questions here on the forum the way that you did. I almost pulled the trigger on a different machine from a different distributor but the way you answered my questions in detail was great. I trust your knowledge about these machines.. inside and out. And I wholeheartedly believe that you wouldn't put your name on a product unless you believed in it. For the price, the specs and the people backing this machine... there's not a better machine for me to buy.
I did try calling SteamBrite and asking for you Monday and Tuesday and both times you were unavailable. I understand you're a busy man..lol. I would like to deal with you during this process. As you know I have a $2600 max budget that I'm trying to get the most out of. However, I need a few more questions answered and I'll be ready to purchase today (2-19-14). I work nights and sleep till around 11 pm ET so it's hard for me to call you in the mornings.

1. I need to know if you feel it necessary for me to get the machine with the hose and wand set?
I already have one 25ft solution and vac hose that came with the Mighty Lite. Of course they're the 1 1/2" hoses.
Which brings me to my next question.
2. Is it better in your expert opinion to have the 2" port and hose set vs 1 1/2" ? Is there a difference in cleaning performance?
3. If I were to get the 2" hose set, would it work with the upholstery tool that I currently use that connects using the 1 1/2" ?
4. If I get the hose and wand set with my machine, can I swap the Westpak wand for the Mytee 8300-EZ-C wand which I believe is $10 more (I'll pay the difference)?
5. I would like to have the the pressure feed conversion kit w/ accessories and without auto dump added and you guys install it.
6. Instead of 2 - 25' power cords, could you exchange one of those for a 50 ft?
7. And finally, If you do suggest the hose/wand set... could you please install a shut off valve on the solution hose?

I believe that I'll need to talk with you directly Donald and pay over the phone, because in the "add to cart" checkout it won't let me substitute the Mytee wand for the Westpak wand. It also won't allow me to add the little things such as the shut-off valve, 50 ft power cord etc...

My Zipcode for shipping is 28079. I would need it shipped to my home which I believe is an extra $80. So with what I have in "My Cart" it's giving me a grand total of $2534.89 including all shipping charges. That gives me roughly $70 wiggle room. Do you believe that you can add those extras within' my budget? Mytee wand, shut-off valve and one 50 ft power cord. Again, I'd like to purchase this tomorrow Lord willing. Thanks again Donald

[Randalj79]

Donald, After carefully researching various websites and carpet extractors, I've decided to go with the Clean Storm heated 500 psi model. Much of that is due to you responding to my questions here on the forum the way that you did. I almost pulled the trigger on a different machine from a different distributor but the way you answered my questions in detail was great. I trust your knowledge about these machines.. inside and out. And I wholeheartedly believe that you wouldn't put your name on a product unless you believed in it. For the price, the specs and the people backing this machine... there's not a better machine for me to buy.
I did try calling SteamBrite and asking for you Monday and Tuesday and both times you were unavailable. I understand you're a busy man..lol. I would like to deal with you during this process. As you know I have a $2600 max budget that I'm trying to get the most out of. However, I need a few more questions answered and I'll be ready to purchase today (2-19-14). I work nights and sleep till around 11 pm ET so it's hard for me to call you in the mornings.

1. I need to know if you feel it necessary for me to get the machine with the hose and wand set?
I already have one 25ft solution and vac hose that came with the Mighty Lite. Of course they're the 1 1/2" hoses.
Which brings me to my next question.
2. Is it better in your expert opinion to have the 2" port and hose set vs 1 1/2" ? Is there a difference in cleaning performance?
3. If I were to get the 2" hose set, would it work with the upholstery tool that I currently use that connects using the 1 1/2" ?
4. If I get the hose and wand set with my machine, can I swap the Westpak wand for the Mytee 8300-EZ-C wand which I believe is $10 more (I'll pay the difference)?
5. I would like to have the the pressure feed conversion kit w/ accessories and without auto dump added and you guys install it.
6. Instead of 2 - 25' power cords, could you exchange one of those for a 50 ft?
7. And finally, If you do suggest the hose/wand set... could you please install a shut off valve on the solution hose?

I believe that I'll need to talk with you directly Donald and pay over the phone, because in the "add to cart" checkout it won't let me substitute the Mytee wand for the Westpak wand. It also won't allow me to add the little things such as the shut-off valve, 50 ft power cord etc...

My Zipcode for shipping is 28079. I would need it shipped to my home which I believe is an extra $80. So with what I have in "My Cart" it's giving me a grand total of $2534.89 including all shipping charges. That gives me roughly $70 wiggle room. Do you believe that you can add those extras within' my budget? Mytee wand, shut-off valve and one 50 ft power cord. Again, I'd like to purchase this tomorrow Lord willing. Thanks again Donald

[Donald]

Advantage to 2" vacuum port

1. The hose set and wand are sold for about $200 over the cost of machine only. This is a super steal and this price only happens during a new machine purchase. If you try to purchase this later you will spend $275. It might be worth it just to have as a back up, but you will have to decide if it is in your budget.
2. The 2" port is important on hose lengths over 50 ft. Under 50 there really is not improvement. The idea of 2" is it creates half as much air flow friction on the lining of the hose walls and will let you double your hose lengths. Please read post at

http://www.steam-bright.net/showthread.php?53-What-is-the-recommend-maximum-length-of-hose-I-can-use-with-my-extractor&highlight=hose+length

If you purchase a ice cream shake at Sonic's and place the shake on the floor and try to suck up the shake through a super long straw, one with a skinny straw and another with a fat straw. Only the fat straw works. The air too will have to squeeze through the smaller hose. This is OK for short runs. In the world of pump up sprayers, when you pressurize a two gallon tank with a gallon of water, you will notice the liquid will not change shape as you can squeeze in more air. The reverse is true with vacuum. You can stretch the air through the smaller hose but the shorter the better. The air is spongy. If you leave a 1.5" port on the extractor the max hose length you will ever be able to achieve is 75 ft. We ran multiple test with really large gas powered truckmounts and found it does not matter how much vacuum and cfm you have at the machine, if you try to clean past 75 ft the performance really suffers with the 1.5" hose. On the other hand with 2" hose very little vacuum loss happens with hose length. You can take a portable and double it hose length performance. Switching to 2" might give you the ability to leave the machine down stairs and clean the second floor of a home without moving the machine. This could be huge in both time, calories burned, and SAFETY.
3. When you have a 2" port, you can still use 1.5" tools and hose. You step down the hose from 2" to start and then transition to 1.5" hose near the wand. Say the last 15 ft. If you are doing some auto detail work your 1.5" hose will fit right on to the 2" port with the use of a AH46 expanded hose cuff.

http://www.steam-brite.com/cuff-15in-threaded-20in-slip-vacuum-hose-cuff-p-4332.html

4. If you switch out the wand the difference is more than just the retail cost. Westpak supplied a better price to be part of these packages and Mytee is not offering any special deals (hence the reason the hose set and wand is not $275 more) Without research this issue I bet the Mytee wand is going to cost you about $75 more.
5. I like pressure feed too. Work way better than suction feeding.
6. You just need to purchase an extra 25 ft 12-3 power cord extension because dual 25 ft power cords is what is already in the box.

http://www.steam-brite.com/extension-power-cord-feet-heavy-duty-mytee-e531-100860-p-779.html

Our power cord prices should be less than your local hardware store.
7. The advantage to these wands is you can snap in a plastic glide if you ever have to suck water off a tile floor. Highly recommended option for water extraction.

http://www.steam-brite.com/westpak-teflon-wand-glide-profile-wands-p-13075.html

The Mytee wand is not a dripless design. What does not is mean? Mytee wand uses Veejet without a check valve. The Westpak wands we have made for us (they special make them custom for us) have a ball and spring that prevents water drippage on the forward dry stroke. In other words, the ball and spring 2 psi of water pressure to move out of the way. This hold back the water in the hose between the valve and jet so you have no dripping. You should add the ball valve at the end of each pressure hose. This is highly recommended.

http://www.steam-brite.com/ah54-ball-valve-14in-male-female-pipe-1000-chrome-plated-p-3094.html

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