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**TigerJ** · February 28, 2014, 02:31 AM

so many choices sure makes it tough to find the best value (price/performance).

I like what I read about the Jaguar's features, says it can clean at 100' and even up to 150'. what would your recommendation for the extractor and machine (rotovac 360xl, hoss, etc). I would like to use the machine for carpet (mainly for carpets which are trashed and would require a level of restoration) with a rotovac type set-up, but also might use it for tile/grout cleaning with a spinner, unless the rotovac could do a good job on tile/grout (but I suspect the light weight could prevent a good job). Would also use for upholstery (residential and commercial) cleaning too.

Hoss 700, Rotovac XL, or T-Rex a better choice ?

I currently have vehicle size limitations with my 2002 Acura MDX small suv.

thanks, Barry

Originally posted by Donald View Post

Question: I looked at your Goliath extractors and they seem to all say four 2 stage vac's...your comment said the Rotovac is recommended to have at least dual 3 stage vacs...are the Goliath four 2 stage vac's better than the dual 3 stage vac's ?
How about the Cross American Jaguar Cub or the 6.6 Jaguar - no heat I know, but would either run the Rotovac 360XL ?

Answer: In the world of vacuum performance amp draw is king. An 11 amp two stage vacuum motor is going to out perform, out dry a 10 amp 3 stage vacuum motor. It is not so much about stage is it is about the amount of winding inside the vacuum motor with the size of the carbon brush contacting the armature. A dual 3 stage vacuum system is usually going to be about a 20 amp system and a 20 amp vacuum system would be the least I would consider running a Rotovac 360i or a 12" power wand head. The larger 15" power wand heads used by the Rotovac XL, Sapphire Hoss 700, and Mytee T-Rex really should have a 25+ amp vacuum system. Examples of some of these machines:
Mytee M5, Mytee 1005DX, Mytee LTD5 = 25 amp vacuum system using the conical Electro 3 stage vacuum motors
Jaguar 6.6 and Cleaning Storm 6.6 = 26 amp vacuum system using dual 6.6 two stage vacuum motors
All Goliath using 30 am vacuum system using quad 2 stage in a two series pair configuration.

Links:
Mytee LTD5
http://www.steam-brite.com/advanced_...?keywords=ltd5

Mytee 1005DX
http://www.steam-brite.com/advanced_...eywords=1005dx

Rotovac 360i
http://www.steam-brite.com/advanced_...ds=rotovac+360

Goliath
http://www.steam-brite.com/advanced_...ywords=goliath

Jaguar 6.6
http://www.steam-brite.com/cross-ame...e-p-10765.html

Clean Storm 6.6
http://www.steam-brite.com/advanced_...lean+storm+6.6

Hoss 700
http://www.steam-brite.com/sapphire-...g-p-10140.html

Mytee T-Rex
http://www.steam-brite.com/advanced_...?keywords=trex

Rotovac XL
http://www.steam-brite.com/advanced_...rds=rotovac+XL

Please note you should also be looking at machines that are auto fill and auto dump because a power wand is going to use twice as much water as a traditional wand and then because it is hooked to the sink you really are not going to relocate the machine.

**Donald** · February 28, 2014, 01:53 PM

Max Cleaning Units + Max Vacuum Units in a small package

You will notice that there are numerous other posting on this subject already so I will not into complete detail again. The Jaguar 6.6 will clean out 150 ft with 2" vacuum hose, it is a suction feed portable, with a 500 psi pump and motor that is marketed as an 800 psi pump and motor (not recommended), with 1.4 gpm auto pump out pump. No heat and plugs in everywhere because it only needs dual 15 amp breakers. By default out of the box you will need to re-enforce the front casters. The factory only provides bolts without back up nuts. A little weird and hope this issue has been fixed. Not really a tile cleaning machine rather it will rinse tile floors that have already been cleaned. In other words, it will not pressure wash tile floors. This statement is true with all 500-800psi machines. In order to pressure wash a floor you need a 1000+ psi. The problem with installing a pressure washing pump under the hood means you just added 50 lbs of weight and loaded up the amp draw on the pressure washing pump. Amp draw totally dictates both pressure cleaning/ pressure units and vacuum units. Pressure units is max psi X max gpm = cleaning pressure units. Vacuum units is Max cfm @ zero inches of lift X max inches of left at zero cfm. Pressure cleaning units = speed, vacuum units = hose length + quick dry times.
Please visit
http://www.steam-brite.com/clean-sto...s-p-14102.html
scroll to the bottom of the webpage and review the charge on cleaning unit
Almost all 15 amp pressure washers will produce 2400 cleaning units, almost all 20 amp 120 volt pressure pumps produce 3000 cleaning units. Naturally 20 amp pressure washers weigh more and if you stick it under the hood of a carpet cleaning machine a lot of places might not have 20 amp breakers. Now you can always turn down a 20 amp system to run on a 15 amp breaker but you cannot turn up a 15 pump to perform at 3000 cleaning units. You ask what would I do? I personally am a huge fan of synergistic machines. This is defined as the interaction of elements that when combined produce a total effect that is greater than the sum of the individual elements, contributions, etc.; synergism. Purchase a flood pumper, and a pressure washer and combine them into a carpet cleaning and tile cleaning machine. It does not cost any more money and it is much easier to load and un-load out of the truck and provides a much higher level of cleaning units and vacuum units you can get in an all-in-one machine. For example take the dual corded pressure washer on the link above an mate it with the Goliath Flood Pumper with the belly heat exchanger. You would need 4 power cords or and electric clothes dryer plug to run everything but it would be cool. The Goliath heat exchanger would boost the heat from the customers 110 degrees to 140 degrees and in tile cleaning you would have the best pump that plug into any two 15 amp breakers (or less for lower pressure)
Please read post at
http://www.steam-bright.net/showthre...der+importance
You will see that I think vacuum is #1 because if the carpet is wet tomorrow the customer is still going to hate your guts and never use you again. #2 is the pump cleaning units or speed. I would not consider low pressure cleaning because I do not want to make a day out of a job. Add heat and auto fill and dump automation if it is your budget. Please note that I think vacuum is #1 and this is why the current best built 15" power wand is the Hoss 700. It experiences less vacuum loss than the Rotovac XL and Mytee T-Rex. It uses a bearing vacuum system instead of a felt gasket vacuum system. Please note you can get good vacuum with a felt vacuum systems but you have to dip the felt disk into paraffin hot wax. Today prices for these wands are as low as: Mytee $1995, Rotovac XL $2450, Hoss $2694 so budget might play a big part of the decision. Weight is another issue with the Hoss 700 being only 58 lbs total use weight makes it the easiest to use for an old man like me. In your case you might want to consider a Mytee 7303 and mount your current 6-2300-H portable to it to give you 7 stage 26 amp system. This would be strong enough for your 15" power wand and convert your machine to auto dump. You could lighten the load with a smaller more compact 15 amp pressure washer like the water otter
http://www.steam-brite.com/pumptec-8...00-p-8956.html

Links
Mytee 7303
http://www.steam-brite.com/mytee-730...lt-p-8970.html

**TigerJ** · March 1, 2014, 12:10 AM

thanks for the feedback and advice Donald. I think I'll pass on the Jag 6.6 since it would only help with carpet and upholstery, and the price point is too high for me. The synergistic approach you detailed does sound cool, but I'm more about simplicity and efficiency. This is why I started looking at the Rotovac so I could attempt to eliminate the manual extraction using my Rainbow vac - although, as I have said it does a pretty good job in my opinion. I understand that vac is #1.

how about using the dri-eaz Ace Turbo circular fan to assist with drying ? I know they are very expensive at about $500, but if it could work, it might be a more simplistic approach ??? Dri-Eaz Ace turbodryer...$445 list, see one on ebay, new for $380 right now.

My Clean Storm 6-2300 has Heat, Auto Fill (you guys sent me the special hose connection to make this work), and Auto-Dump (you guys built me the attache case with the pump and modified extractor lid)...I know you talk with so many customers all day every day, just thought I would point this out.

This may be just another exercise in futility...maybe someday I will actually move to a TM, but I'm sure I would still have a need for a Porty in many situations. At my age (55) I probably won't move to a TM at this point, even though I know the production rate could increase significantly, but it doesn't buy me much on commercial lock-ins.

thanks again for all your assistance.

**Donald** · March 1, 2014, 06:29 AM

Pick up the pace on my cleaning

The next step in productivity, goals.
1. Increase vacuum. This will allow for wider larger wands, either power or fixed jet. Removes more dirt and water.
2. Increase agitation speed.
3. Convert equipment to auto fill and auto dump.
4. Increase pressure and GPM flow rates pick up the pace in rinsing and open up the possibilities of tile cleaning and pressure washing.
5. Increase you cleaning temperature.
6. Offer one hour dry times with the use of air movers and cotton bonnet drying service.
If you are going to move up to a power wand, purchase 15 inches over 12 inches wide. Cleans 37% faster!
You already upgraded your machine to pressure feed auto fill, and auto dump, you just need more vacuum. Consider a hose mount vacuum booster.
Examples of hose mount vacuum boosters
Kleenrite 6.6
http://www.steam-brite.com/kleenrite...ge-p-8783.html

Kleenrite 5.7
http://www.steam-brite.com/kleenrite...ge-p-8786.html

Mytee - no auto dump - single 3 stage
http://www.steam-brite.com/mytee-750...nt-p-8387.html

Mytee - with auto dump - single 3 stage
http://www.steam-brite.com/mytee-730...nt-p-8970.html

Mytee- dual 3 stage Series (for machines that already have series vacs like yours)
http://www.steam-brite.com/mytee-730...ng-p-4669.html

Being your machine is pressure feed auto fill, you do not even need a larger pump except for tile pressure washing. Power wands work pretty good with building pressure and low pressure. What makes them work is higher flow and agitation. For pressure washing tile consider single 15 amp pumps, single 20 amp pumps, dual 15 amp pumps, or even heated pressure washer for extreme cleaning. As like with other wands you can always adjust your jet orifice size based on you desired flow rate and pressure you want to use.

With more vacuum and larger pumps you can also consider fixed jet wands in the 13.5" / 14" /15" category. These wands rinse carpet faster than power wands but only rinse faster if you already pre-cleaned/scrubbed the carpet first.

2. Consider pre-scrubbing/ pre-cleaning with CRB machines. These types of agitation machines are way easier on the body to use that a 17" floor machine and do a better job at the same time. A 20" wide CRB is crazy fast followed by rinsing with a wide wand and now your pace is really picked up. Visit the Carpet Cleaning Speed Package Page
http://www.steam-brite.com/clean-sto...0v-p-4528.html

and
http://www.steam-brite.com/clean-sto...e-p-13808.html

3. Done in your case, (Great job)
4. Add some type of pressure washing pump. Carry in, roll in, or mounted to the service vehicle. Cold or hot.
5. Next step consider more heat with electric, propane, or kerosene high pressure heater. Sometimes steps 4 and 5 are the same thing. Electric booster post heat already hot water while fuel heated units will heat cold water. Add a heater in the truck or trailer with propane or kerosene. These can be added at the same time as you are adding a larger pump or by themselves. This is tricky in this category because their are electric pumps with kerosene heat and gasoline pumps with kerosene heat or keep the pump separate so you can carry/roll into the job site for high rise work. These even have sub categories like the electric kerosene units can be 120 volts or 230 volts depending on if you want to have at your disposal larger psi and gpm flow rates for true outdoor pressure washing. All the 230 units will run on standard wall outlets with the use of a reverse inverter
http://www.steam-brite.com/advanced_...verse+inverter
Depending on the part of the country you are in attempt to run as much as possible off your customers electric clothes dryer 230 plug
http://www.steam-brite.com/electric-...e-p-14699.html
Hear in San Antonio TX all the home clothes dryer plugs are mounted above the dryer on the wall right off the garage. This can be converted to 60 amps at 120 volts for running a lot of equipment on the truck. When you need more than this just throw a 5 cord to the front porch. When no 230 volt is available have a back up generator on board.
http://www.steam-brite.com/pressure-...c-p-10053.html
These are available with and without heat exchangers on them.

So here is my crazy package:
Goliath Flood pumper with heat exchanger on the belly to pre heat water for free and cut my propane bill in half.
Goliath with booster port installed on the roof so I can add my current machine to this machine in the event I want to run 300 feet of hose.
Clean Storm 6720 pressure washing pump: plug in everywhere but has the power behind it for all types of cleaning when you need it.
Little Giant Extreme Heater. 2000 psi+ heater means I can even pressure wash outside! New for 2014. Exhaust through the roof of my van/trailer.
Set up my reels so I have hot water in bound garden hose. This means I can transfer my customers hot water to my service trailer/truck. This added with the Goliath heater means my propane bill is cut in half.
If I am working out of a trailer, purchase one with a ramp as a back door. If I am going to use a van, purchase an LB10 series ramp
http://www.steam-brite.com/advanced_...?keywords=lb10
I love these things. Had one on my truck for 20 years. Zero floor space because it stores vertical in step-well when not in use.
Purchase the live electric reel to roll up my vacuum hose at the end of my job.
http://www.steam-brite.com/clean-sto...es-p-3928.html
This means a four reel package. Hot water garden hose in, live solid hose back into the home, live electric vacuum, side storage for my 230 volt power cord.
Use a CRB17 or CRB20 for prescrubbing and rinse with a 14" wand or purchase a Hoss 700
Got to have this crevice tool http://www.steam-brite.com/clean-sto...g-p-10511.html
Have the BE9000 generator on board with back up heat exchanger means I will not even have to turn on my little giant heater when I have to use gasoline. Hot water from home, to Goliath heater to pressure washing pump, to generator heater, back inside the home.
Adding your current dual 2 stage system to the booster port of the Goliath is a 61,875+ vacuum unit system; 6720 cleaning unit pump, 120,000 BTU of heat. This would give you the same cleaning as the 2036 Truckmount with less operating cost and more heat and the ability to do high rise work at the same time.
http://www.steam-brite.com/steambrit...6-p-10360.html

6. I do not understand your fan selection. Please visit
http://www.steam-brite.com/drieaz-f2...al-p-3856.html
and place in a shopping cart to see the price. We are always less money on everything we sell.
Compare to so many other air mover on the market. Visit
http://www.steam-brite.com/-c-510_44.html?&filter_id=4
Lots of other fans with the same specs for half the money. Don't get me wrong, they make a top of the line air mover that is UL rated. The UL listing is the reason for using the ACE fan. The other fans do not have that certification.

**TigerJ** · March 1, 2014, 12:45 PM

great stuff Donald, thanks for all the info.

I didn't notice you offer the Drieaz F259...good price too ($368). I will keep this in mind on all your pricing for future reference...then I just have to consider the shipping costs from Texas (another $43 or so).

sounds like if I really wanted to do this right and run the Hoss or Rotovac 15" machines I would have to consider getting a more powerful extractor with auto fill, auto dump, and heat (http://www.steam-brite.com/advanced_...eywords=heater - this shows some options for adding heat without adding weight to the extractor - I think I like this idea). It seems like the high amp units (25+ amps) you previously mentioned (which are recommended to drive the larger rotary extractor machines) would be difficult to run in a typical residential home...I would think they would blow the fuse frequently. Maybe it's fine in a commercial environment, but in residential it sounds risky. My 17" Mercury rotary trips power in some homes (if too much drag put on machine).

I'm aware of the CRB capabilities...I may try this in the future, can double for residential and commercial. I like what I have read about the Whittaker Trio (three brush system)

**Donald** · March 3, 2014, 05:56 AM

Even the strongest portable and plug in everywhere

None of the 20+ amp draw extractors are hard to run in homes because they all use multiple power cords. The Jaguar 6.6 runs on dual 15 amp breakers and would never trip any job site - ever! Even the strongest machine (Goliath Quad Vac) can run at every single location without tripping breakers. Each cord on the Goliath uses two vacuum motors at 15 amp and then adds the pressure pump on one cord and the auto dump pump on the other cord. The 500 psi pump draws under 3 amps and only when turned up to 500 psi. If you where on a 15 amp breaker you could either turn off one vacuum motors or turn down the water pressure. You could also not to opt to use the auto dump and run the other power cord at 15 amps too. The Goliath even has a vacuum check valve system that allows you two run the machine on just one power cord. You chose the features you want to run for the job site at hand.
Single 15 amp, single 20 amp, dual 15 amp, dual 20 amp.
Single 15 amp: Two 2 stage vacuums with high flow extraction cleaning
or
single 2 stage at 500 psi.
Single 20 amp: Dual 2 stage vacuum in either series or parallel with 500 psi pressure
or
Dual 2 stage in series or parallel with 30 gpm auto dump
Dual 15 amp: Triple 2 stage with 500 psi
or
Triple 2 stage with 30 gpm auto dump
Dual 20 amp: Quad 2 stage with 500psi and 30 gpm auto dump.
Optional Complete Heat model uses a third 15 amp breaker to run a 1750 watt electric heater. This machine will operate on one, two or three power cords in both 15 or 20 amp breaker situations.

**TigerJ** · March 5, 2014, 12:20 AM

high amps, Mytee 7303 air hog

thanks for the education Donald...good to know the high amp units can run just fine in homes and there are adjustments which can be made to the unit to get through a particular job that present a problem.

if I ended up needing more vacuum (say to run 15" Rotovac), would the Mytee 7303 Air Hog be a good choice to connect my Clean Storm 6 gal dual 2 stage vac unit to ?

**Donald** · March 5, 2014, 04:49 AM

Hose mount booster options

The Mytee 7303 is a good choice for you.
http://www.steam-brite.com/mytee-730...nt-p-8970.html

If you already own a hose mount link filter and auto dump, you can also consider the Mytee 7503
http://www.steam-brite.com/mytee-750...nt-p-8387.html
This 7503 unit is on Mytee's discontinued list and once it sells out they are not making more.
No explanation why.

Hose mount lint filters
http://www.steam-brite.com/advanced_...e+mount+filter

Since your machine is already auto dump the auto pump out on the Mytee 7503 is not needed and so the other two models to consider are the Kleenrite
6.6 or 5.7" hose mount boosters
http://www.steam-brite.com/advanced_...enrite+booster

If you want even more vacuum, look at the Mytee 7300 series and hook this up to your current machine
http://www.steam-brite.com/advanced_...rds=mytee+7300
and
Mytee 7001DX with the optional booster port.
http://www.steam-brite.com/mytee-700...rt-p-4532.html

If you are Tim the tool man more power kind of guy, the Goliath Flood pumper with the optional booster port
http://www.steam-brite.com/dristorm-...on-p-6271.html

And you also have the Drieaz Flood HVE3000
http://www.steam-brite.com/drieaz-f4...a-p-11086.html
It already includes the booster port.

For you since you already had a dual 2 stage series machine, any other Dual 2 stage machine on the market can also be used as a hose mount booster. Simply change out drain valve connection on the rear end of the machine to a barbed fitting and leave the drain valve open. These additional fittings can be glued or slip on. You can easily toggle back and forth between using the machine as a hose mount booster or a stand alone extractor. I like this idea because when you land a really large job you can put a helper to work on the other side of the building without having to rent an other machine.
Example the Clean Storm 6-2300-H
http://www.steam-brite.com/clean-sto...h-p-12421.html

**TigerJ** · March 7, 2014, 03:08 PM

thanks Donald.

sounds like the Mytee 7503 (already on the discontinue list) is the best price at $642 vs the Mytee 7303 which is $755.

If I added the 7503 how much vacuum (with already dual two stage vacs extractor) hose would I be able to run with a rotovac 360i or 360xl ?

thanks,
Barry

**Donald** · March 8, 2014, 05:37 AM

Using a hose mount booster with a power wand.

Yes, this will work. The nice thing about using a hose mount booster is they work with almost any hose length as long as the booster is placed inside 50 ft on 12" power wands and 25 ft on 15" power wands.
http://www.steam-bright.net/showthre...ht=hose+length
Your set up (Clean Storm 6-2300-H + 3 stage hose mount vacuum booster and power wand and mostly 2" hose would clean well at 85 ft.
This means you could leave your machine on the first floor at the base of the stair case and should have enough hose to clean the entire second floor of a home.
You would need to change the barbed port on the front of your machine to:
http://www.steam-brite.com/barbed-pl...r-p-13147.html

You will need two inch vacuum hose
http://www.steam-brite.com/clean-sto...ed-p-4414.html

Because your will be working farther from your machine, install ball valves at the end of each solution hose
http://www.steam-brite.com/ah54-ball...ed-p-3094.html

If you use a 15" power wand you should take the 2" hose all the way to the wand, if you use a 12" power wand, you can use a smaller 1.5" ID vacuum hose leader between 8 to 15 ft long.

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