Adding auto dump to 6 gallon Clean Storm Extractor

[Donald]

Question: Hello Donald,
I know it's been awhile, but for many reasons I was not able to do much more testing on the extractor until this past week. I finally found some answers during my testing. Bascially my Clean Storm 6-2300-H with customized auto-fill capability and Dri-Master Upholstery Tool were giving me problems (leaking water inside the unit where the motors are located, and the Dri-master tool was not functioning correctly).
In my last email I mentioned I re-tested the unit and to my surprise no water leaked that time, but the Dri-master tool was still not functioning correctly. I did a thorough inspection inside the unit and noticed one of the rubber hoses would/could get kinked when the topassy was closed and locked down...I thought this might be a reason for the water flow problem and possibly caused too much pressure, and in turn, the water somehow would leak into the motor compartment. So, I straightened out the hose and carefully watched it as I closed and locked down the top section onto the lower section. Checked it a couple of times. Then ran the unit with everything, including the Dri-master tool connected, and the unit closed, then I opened the unit while it was running to check and make sure there were no leaks.
No leaks were discovered, however, the Dri-master tool was still not functioning correctly (no water flow, just water bubbling out of the tool...so I checked the PSI hose to make sure water was flowing and there was no blockage, then I diassembled the hose cuff near the Dri-master tool, where the psi hose is located internal to the Dri-master vacuum hose, and then I saw the problem, somehow the brass connections were not connected, and this is what caused the tool to not function. It probably happened when I installed the special Dri-master Handle, but I don't really recall exactly. Bottom line is the Dri-master tool now functions properly. Of course, having a complete sealed connection brought the PSI back up to the expected 300 psi, even with the the Heat on...very pleased with this.
I did some follow-up testing today, before I'm ready to start using at customer locations, and all seemed to work great, that is until the units holding tank filled up with water and the tone of the motors/unit changed to let me know something needed to be done...I realized right away that the water tank must be full, but by the time (seconds literally) I got to the machine to turn it off and start my bucket brigade it had already started to blow some water out the units side vents. I shut it down, emptied the water recovery tank and then started cleaning again. When I was done there was a small, maybe about 3 cups of water under the extractor, that had leaked through the drain holes in the bottom.
Questions;
1) any idea why the unit would leak water into the motor area once the recovery tank gets full ?
(as I cleaning more, I just made sure to not let the tank get full)
2) is there any way to add auto-dump to my system ? The current process is not horrible, but it definitely impacts productivity having to stop and empty the holding tank, and the issue with leaking water into the holding tank is very concerning....thankfully, I placed my non-leaking tarp under the extractor before starting my work, and I will always have to do this so I don't accidentally ruin a customers flooring. I know I'm not telling you anything you don't already know, but your words of wisdom and experience would be greatly appreciated.
I'm very pleased to finally have a functional unit.
thanks in advance for any advice you might have.
Barry

Answer: #1 the vacuum motors are not designed to have soap/water/dirt flow though the motors. This is a very quick way to ruin the vacuum motors. Even if it does not ruin them right away you can wash the grease out of the bearing that is inside the vacuum motor and cause vacuum motor failure down the road. Please empty the waste tank regularly.

#2 we do sell drip pans
Clean Storm SBMTray Clean Storm Portable Extractor & Dehumidifier Drip Tray $39.99

http://www.steam-brite.com/clean-storm-portable-extractor-dehumidifier-drip-tray-p-12299.html

We can add auto dump to your machine as well as sell you the parts for you to self install one.
Visit
Aquatec 5503-2E6E-B586 Aquatec: Pump Out Pump 3.5 GPM 60 PSI, 115 Volt Auto Dump Out 5503-2E6E-B586 $179.52

http://www.steam-brite.com/aquatec-pump-pump-volt-auto-dump-55032e6eb586-p-11351.html

You have to install a bulk head fitting in the bottom of the waste tank filter
Shazaam C-BHF-1/2F-P Shazaam: 1/2" Bulkhead fitting $15.60
Shazaam SBM3/4-60Mesh Shazaam: Carpet Cleaning Auto Pump Out Filter 3/4" Fip Connection 5-3/4" H X 3" W $39.99

http://www.steam-brite.com/shazaam-bulkhead-fitting-p-9602.html

http://www.steam-brite.com/shazaam-carpet-cleaning-auto-pump-filter-connection-p-11744.html

You will have to use a hose mount lint filter too

http://www.steam-brite.com/hydroforce-truckmount-hose-mount-carpet-cleaning-lint-filter-ac10-hydrofilter-p-10661.html

Naturally you would need lots of other hose, fitting, clamps, etc to make this work.
Clean Storm J032-1 Truck Mount Toggle Switch DPST (Double Pole Single Throw) $15.15

http://www.steam-brite.com/truck-mount-toggle-switch-dpst-double-pole-single-throw-p-6101.html

[TigerJ]

Response to answer to Question 1; I understand having water coming through the vacuum motors, overflowing or blowing inside and outside the extractor is not good, which is why I brought it to your attention again. After reading your response and watching the drip pan video I can clearly see the extractor is "unfortunately" designed to blow out any excess water/suds/dirt, etc through the vacuum motors. I will definitely keep a closer eye on the recovery tank level to avoid future problems. I will also plan to lay down a small drop cloth and purchase the drip pan to catch any fluid that might miss the drip pan.

Response to answer to Question 2; I might consider adding the auto dump parts if the above monitoring process does not work. I will likely contact a local extractor supplier who also does repairs to see if they could do the mod's and what the cost would be.

how much weight would be added to the extractor with your referenced auto-dump customization...5-10 lbs I presume ?

I have another question about using the Drimaster tool for upholstery cleaning; I'm trying to decide which of the following steps would be recommended for cleaning upholstery while using the Drimaster tool;

1) vacuum
2) pre-spray cleaning solution
3) agitate cleaning solution and upholstery fibers using Cyclo dual headed upholstery power brushes
4) clean using Drimaster tool with heated water
5) extract any excess fluid from upholstery using drimaster tool in "dry" mode.

My cleaning process previously included steps 1-3, but 4-5 were done using a Rainbow vacuum cleaner. Just looking for any advice you might have about whether I need to pre-spray or agitate before using the drimaster tool.


thank you

[TigerJ]

p.s. is there a specific vacuum hose reel you would recommend I use for my 50' of blue vacuum hose which came with my Clean Storm extractor ?


thanks,
Barry

[Donald]

rolling up 50 ft hoses

I think you should always prespray and agitate first before your hot water extraction rinse. You might not need to use a power scrubber but at least a hand brush of some type.

I do not think a 50 ft section of 1-1/2" vacuum hose should require a hose reel. I think you will find to roll it up and place a bungee cord around it for storage should be fine. If you are having difficulty rolling up, you should try rolling up from the middle of the hose and not from the end. To do this, lay the hose in half so the hose is in a big "U." Grab the bend and twist your wrist so to start your 3 ft round vacuum hose loop. Complete on leg of the rolling and grab the half stack of hose and flip over 180 degrees (upside down). The roll the other leg on top of the first and secure with the bungee cord. Way faster and easier than a reel for on section of hose.

[TigerJ]

I think you should always prespray and agitate first before your hot water extraction rinse. You might not need to use a power scrubber but at least a hand brush of some type.

I do not think a 50 ft section of 1-1/2" vacuum hose should require a hose reel. I think you will find to roll it up and place a bungee cord around it for storage should be fine. If you are having difficulty rolling up, you should try rolling up from the middle of the hose and not from the end. To do this, lay the hose in half so the hose is in a big "U." Grab the bend and twist your wrist so to start your 3 ft round vacuum hose loop. Complete on leg of the rolling and grab the half stack of hose and flip over 180 degrees (upside down). The roll the other leg on top of the first and secure with the bungee cord. Way faster and easier than a reel for on section of hose.

Thanks for the confirmation on the upholstery cleaning process, and also the great tip for the vacuum hose (I will try that today).

[TigerJ]

Auto Dump being revisited

Thanks for the confirmation on the upholstery cleaning process, and also the great tip for the vacuum hose (I will try that today).

Hi Donald,

I have been using my Clean Storm 6-2300-H with much success. I'm now ready to attempt to move forward with a solution for adding auto-dump. Would the following be the easiest solution to add:

http://www.steam-brite.com/aquatec-auto-pump-extractor-piggy-back-back-your-extractor-p-8868.html

are there other modifications which would be required to my extractor, or is the Aquatec piggy back the simple solution? Any issues with taking this approach ?


thank you,

Barry

Bay Area Kwik Dry Total Cleaning

[Donald]

Adding auto dump with a carpet cleaning machine with a twist lock lid

Yes this would be the easiest to add. Please note that the lid that Mytee uses on the auto dump is not the same lid that is on the clean storm. They are super close to being the same. I have not investigated this change out too much but know for a perfect fit you can just move the plumbing fitting from the Mytee lid to the Clean Storm Lid.

When ever you add auto dump you have to also add a hose mount lint filtration system
Example http://www.steam-brite.com/hydroforc...r-p-10661.html
since you are using 1-1/2" hose, you will need to use AH46 hose cuffs http://www.steam-brite.com/cuff-15in...ff-p-4332.html
You might also want to install the pump out under the hood of the machine. This would involve using a bulkhead fitting

http://www.steam-brite.com/shazaam-bulkhead-fitting-p-9602.html

and a filter for the bottom of the waste tank

http://www.steam-brite.com/shazaam-carpet-cleaning-auto-pump-filter-connection-p-11744.html

and then to connect the bulkhead to the filter you would need

http://www.steam-brite.com/pump-fitting-plastic-nipple-p-13535.html

To turn this system on and off you would need a toggle switch

http://www.steam-brite.com/truck-mount-toggle-switch-dpst-double-pole-single-throw-p-6101.html

[TigerJ]

Yes this would be the easiest to add. Please note that the lid that Mytee uses on the auto dump is not the same lid that is on the clean storm. They are super close to being the same. I have not investigated this change out too much but know for a perfect fit you can just move the plumbing fitting from the Mytee lid to the Clean Storm Lid.

I'm a little confused by your response.
I prefer to keep the Aquatec outside the hood, mainly to keep the unit weight down.
If I use the Aquatec as a piggy back set up which of the following steps (numbered below for our discussion) will be required ?

1) When ever you add auto dump you have to also add a hose mount lint filtration system
Example http://www.steam-brite.com/hydroforc...r-p-10661.html

2) since you are using 1-1/2" hose, you will need to use AH46 hose cuffs http://www.steam-brite.com/cuff-15in...ff-p-4332.html

3) You might also want to install the pump out under the hood of the machine. This would involve using a bulkhead fitting
http://www.steam-brite.com/shazaam-b...ng-p-9602.html and a filter for the bottom of the waste tank

http://www.steam-brite.com/shazaam-carpet-cleaning-auto-pump-filter-connection-p-11744.html

4) and then to connect the bulkhead to the filter you would need

http://www.steam-brite.com/pump-fitting-plastic-nipple-p-13535.html

5) To turn this system on and off you would need a toggle switch
http://www.steam-brite.com/truck-mou...ow-p-6101.html

thanks, Barry

[TigerJ]

did you see this one ?

thanks, Barry

Hi Donald, I'm not sure if maybe I did something incorrectly when I typed in my previous message, or maybe you have not had a chance to respond yet. In any case, please take a look when you get time.


thanks, Barry

[TigerJ]

Hi Donald, I'm not sure if maybe I did something incorrectly when I typed in my previous message, or maybe you have not had a chance to respond yet. In any case, please take a look when you get time.


thanks, Barry

Donald, still looking for your response to help me make my purchase decision.


thanks, Barry

[Donald]

Adding Auto dump to Sandia Plastic and Clean Storm Extractors

The Mytee Piggy back system can be converted to have the hose pass through the Sandia style lid or we can make one of these from scratch.

http://www.steam-brite.com/aquatec-auto-pump-extractor-piggy-back-back-your-extractor-p-8868.html

Because they make these with Mytee lids and not Sandia lids you have to change the hose over through you own lid.

We can custom make and install the Aquatec pump inside of the same case that we make the Volcano 2000 watt heater in

http://www.steam-brite.com/clean-storm-2000-volcano-watt-inline-compact-heater-carpet-cleaning-equipment-volts-p-3001.html

This could be secured with a Velcro strap.

http://www.steam-brite.com/shazaam-velcro-strap-with-buckle-p-9024.html

This would cost the same as the Mytee Piggy Back.

[TigerJ]

Donald, still looking for your response to help me make my purchase decision.


thanks, Barry

Here's what I still need to know:


I'm a little confused by your response.
I prefer to keep the Aquatec outside the hood, mainly to keep the unit weight down.
If I use the Aquatec as a piggy back set up which of the following steps (numbered below for our discussion) will be required ?

1) When ever you add auto dump you have to also add a hose mount lint filtration system
Example http://www.steam-brite.com/hydroforc...r-p-10661.html

2) since you are using 1-1/2" hose, you will need to use AH46 hose cuffs http://www.steam-brite.com/cuff-15in...ff-p-4332.html

3) You might also want to install the pump out under the hood of the machine. This would involve using a bulkhead fitting
http://www.steam-brite.com/shazaam-b...ng-p-9602.html and a filter for the bottom of the waste tank

http://www.steam-brite.com/shazaam-c...n-p-11744.html

4) and then to connect the bulkhead to the filter you would need

http://www.steam-brite.com/pump-fitt...e-p-13535.html

5) To turn this system on and off you would need a toggle switch

http://www.steam-brite.com/truck-mou...ow-p-6101.html

[TigerJ]

I'm a little confused by your response.
I prefer to keep the Aquatec outside the hood, mainly to keep the unit weight down.
If I use the Aquatec as a piggy back set up which of the following steps (numbered below for our discussion) will be required ?

1) When ever you add auto dump you have to also add a hose mount lint filtration system
Example http://www.steam-brite.com/hydroforc...r-p-10661.html

2) since you are using 1-1/2" hose, you will need to use AH46 hose cuffs http://www.steam-brite.com/cuff-15in...ff-p-4332.html

3) You might also want to install the pump out under the hood of the machine. This would involve using a bulkhead fitting
http://www.steam-brite.com/shazaam-b...ng-p-9602.html and a filter for the bottom of the waste tank

http://www.steam-brite.com/shazaam-c...n-p-11744.html

4) and then to connect the bulkhead to the filter you would need

http://www.steam-brite.com/pump-fitt...e-p-13535.html

5) To turn this system on and off you would need a toggle switch

http://www.steam-brite.com/truck-mou...ow-p-6101.html

[Donald]

6 gallon clean storm auto dump

No, the links on the above post are for customer that want to mount the pump out pump under the hood of the carpet cleaning extractor.